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Never-the-less mistakes were made, carriers were ruined and lives ended because of actions taken by this committee. But we never lost-our-cool and had to hunt down and kill the poor SOB who got crosswise with our committee. This was a human relations nightmare and the LAPD turned it into an event that made human governance more difficult. LAPD slipped from policing civil law into isolated episodes of martial law aimed at innocent civilians without braking stride and ended with a murderous conflagration broadcast on national news. This is a serious accusation about excessive force, but it will merely be noted by the GS 19's and then suppressed. Your message to the populous is this: The LAPD will protect their own at all costs. If you are not one of us, beware. If you get in our way, God help you. http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8926#64933 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8926#64933 Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:32:36 EST "The electronic media didn't cover itself in glory during the Christopher Dorner saga." As opposed to, say, the LAPD.. http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8926#64922 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8926#64922 Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:03:23 EST Yes, we know that it is insane that these questions are being raised, given the murders committed by this man. That said, the bigger issue seems to be that we have come to the point where there are no consequences when the outrageous happens. It seems that every other day things happen or a re said or done that a decade ago would have had grave consequences for the press, for the left, for Democrats, but now seemingly has no consequence at all. Certainly, giving any credance to the ravings of murderous cop killer is something that would not have been done a short time ago. But things have changed, and changed rapidly. We have seemingly reached a tipping point, or some point anyway, where government, the left, Democrats, individuals do and say things that would previously been unthinkable. Why this is, I am not sure - it is likely that Democrats and their supporters in the media viewed the election and the present disasterous, ineffective, incompetent Republican leadership, and believe that they now have the Country, and can do and say what they wish. And they are using the old method of repeating unfounded assumptions as a way to reinforce conditioning ("of course the Republicans are racist"; "of course Obama is extremely popular"; of course the Republicans hater women") to drum certain conepts into the heads of the public. In brief, Democrats have written off a substantial part of the electorate (do I have to spell out which part?), and no longer care what they think. The Democratic media has followed right along, doing and saying thigs that would previously been unthinkable. I am waiting for the day when CBS, NBC, ABC announce that they have abadoned their (phony) standards policies and are now doing opinion journalism. It would be a confirmation of what they have been doing for decades, would also be oddly refreshing. There is only so much outrage you can feel, only so many times you can get angry. We all hope that those governed by the left/Democrats will rise up and reject the snake oil the Democrats are selling - we all think that any moron would understand that Democrats are only acting for their own benefit and are doing nothing but harm to the governed. However, I am telling you the bad news that it will never happen - if places like California, Detroit, Washington, Newark prove anything it is that no amount of failure and incoompetence, no level of corruption makes a damn bit of difference - especially when the media is right there telling the population over and over again that things aren't so bad, and the problems are not being caused by the Democrats but by someone or something else - the corrupt "system," and/or the Republicans. And the Repubican leadership seem to be hell bent on committing political suicide, despite the efforts of the best on their side, which they see as more of an enemy that the Democrats. Maybe the response to Dorner isn't a good example since Democrats have not publicy endorsed the questions this article discusses. But, am I the only person who is getting that feeling that things are starting to spin out of control? 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While technically possible, depending on a number of factors, it is pretty difficlut to discharge a firearm while cleaning it - especially for someone the least bit experienced with such weapons. http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8926#64912 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8926#64912 Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:50:55 EST As a Los Angelino, nearly every day I say a prayer for the LAPD. Rest assured that the sane part of LA (what's left of it) has your back. Now about that cell phone ticket you fellas gave me... http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8926#64897 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8926#64897 Mon, 25 Feb 2013 02:03:23 EST I fear we are creating a society like an army that doubles the number of privates, gets rid of all NCOs and is lead only by college educated officers. The officer class is just a different world, college, three ot seven years as an officer corporate career. 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This dynamic bodes ill for our nation. http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8926#64837 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8926#64837 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:11:14 EST The tabloid media's bias and negative spinning on this story is to blame. Officers save lives all the time but you never read those stories. WHY? Dorner was a cold blooded killer yet the media still giving him publicity. Dorner was FIRED for a number of reasons not just his allegation. Many people aren't as ignorant as the media thinks and continue to support their officers. You can all thank Villaraigosa for wanting the 10,000 officers and demanding LAPD pass thru idiots like Dorner to get that number. Why isn't the media reporting that story??? http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8926#64823 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8926#64823 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 06:27:31 EST Marc Lamont Hill would, I guess, have preferred that a man as unstable as Dorner be placed on the police force. Of course, he would be among the first to condem the police department if Dorner reacted inappropriately while serving as a uniformed police official. http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8926#64717 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8926#64717 Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:24:17 EST The reason the Dorner man hunt stayed front-page was that LAPD went out of its way to create wack-job validations for several of Dorner's craziest assertions. The worst of it happened on February 8th when a team of seven officers attacked two newspaper delivery gals, Margie Carranza, 47, and Emma Hernandez, 71. 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Day after day LAPD officers gave credibility to Dorner's paranoid fantasies, at least a couple of which were supported in real time, encouraging conclusions that his fantasies had roots in factual reality. Margie and Emma ??? They lived. They were also not the only no-fault civilians that LAPD fired on with no good reason. "Street justice" is the phrase for it -- the authoritarian biases that drive LAPD management overflowed repeatedly to produce violent behavior against innocent civilians. By the way Margie and Emma weren't the only truck drivers shot at that news cycle. Another truck was gunned at Flagler and Beryl, same evening. Wrong model truck, wrong color. Of course. Lord knows what they would have done if they had found a gray Nissan in one of their unpublished no-drive zones Of course the press jumped all over these aberrations. The victims weren't even Black. Imagine if LAPD had shot up a Natalee Holloway look-alike ??? 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