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Locals in Will County see the Chgo Democrats efforts as just another land/cash grab now that cash to grab in Chgo is in shorter supply. http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#43292 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#43292 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:37:52 EST Ah, the Rural Air Service Alliance, the little known, but taxpayer money wasting, Amtrak of the skies. If we could just stop wasting money like this, we wouldn't have to mortgage our future to the Chinese. Sigh,,,,,, the government sucks at what should be left to the private sector. http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#43257 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#43257 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:25:13 EST A story very similar to the convention and sports stadium boondoggles. Taxpayer money allows pols to reap campaign contributions from firms and unions which will gobble up those public bucks. Voters generally keep falling for the same scam, so...... http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#43221 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#43221 Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:58:16 EST N: You forget the corruption factor. These projects are great opportunities to repay favors - to unoins, to developers etc. Every large project involves corruption, whether it is 'legal' graft or otherwise. The real benefits are a remote consideration. This is the new normal in modern America. http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#43101 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#43101 Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:22:27 EST Southwest doesn't fly Cranky Flier's defenition of success is SWA's route making or losing money. As you can see, he doesn't look at the cost to built the airport. He's just looking at the route. Either way, the subsidy for the flight has been ended. It'll be interesting to see if SWA continues to serve the airport if and whe it expands in the area now that they've bought AirTrin. http://crankyflier.com/category/airline/southwest/ Something very strange happened last week. St Joe and Southwest agreed to end the subsidy agreement that was put in place to get the airline to start service to Panama City, Florida back in 2010. Now, why is that strange? Because the subsidy was actually successful. But why would Southwest end it if it was successful? There are good reasons. "Defenders of the program, like the advocacy group Rural Air Service Alliance, call these airports “economic drivers.” But if that were the case, the economic activity generated by the subsidies would have made many of the facilities self-sustaining after all this time." ~STEVEN MALANGA Not that I agree with the argument but the way I find it phrased more often is not that it's going to lead to economic growth so much as it's the one thing keeping them alive. Take away the subsidy for service to Thief River Falls, MN and the town will die. It's not a matter of thriving but much more pressing, mere survival. Of course this is hard to disprove since it can not be proven. It doesn't seem likely that things will change much. Even with the flights it's not clear how much longer companies like Artic Cat and Digikey will remain in town. Or at least how much their operations will continue or expand in that lil' town of 8k+. Nor is it clear it it matters. Fargo is 2 hours away and Grand Forks an hour drive. More so other companies have coped with the lack of flights. They are both manufacturing companies which could move or stay regardless of flights. For example, Artic Cat's long lost brotha Polaris just announced they're closing a manufacturing facility in Osceola, WI - an easy drive from MSP - and moving it to Wisconsin. Anywhoooooooooo............ thank you for the article. http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42861 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42861 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:46:15 EST One of the largest, if not the largest, interest groups who campaign for public works projects is the construction unions. Yet, there is a second group which also campaigns for taxpayer funding of airports, stadiums, convention centers, and all the "economic development" projects like them. It's investment bankers, who hope to earn fees from handling the bond issue. It's the same old problem of concentrated benefits and dispersed costs. http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42758 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42758 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:09:50 EST This sounds vaguely like a modern day Cargo Cult - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cults - make all the right moves, and the material benefits will flow... http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42743 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42743 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:14:19 EST Not to worry -- the Great Obama has a plan... http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42692 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42692 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:21:59 EST A very interesting article. One more example that spending Other Peoples Money often does not have desirable result. In Japan not to long ago Airport number 98 was put in action. The same story, a lot of airports in Japan with low traffic put very high fees on the airlines, thereby crippling and bankrupting the airlines. Alas people will never learn as long as taxpayers hand over the money. Gerard de Bruin The Netherlands http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42691 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42691 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:21:50 EST EXCELLENT ARTICLE!!! http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42690 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42690 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:39:48 EST Here in southern California, the idea of an off-shore airport gets resurrected every 30 years or so. So far, it hasn't happened - and, hopefully, never will Never mind, though. We've got the bullet train on the way...Sigh... http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42663 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42663 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:54:51 EST dig it http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42633 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42633 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:52:47 EST Wow. Where to start? Pilots using their efforts to fly fuel from berg to berg while they deplete it? Is that a "job" one should promote or wish upon another human? Also, don't these county and city officials know that one of the major problems with airports - since they existed - is that folks move near them and then complain about the noise, forcing them to move? Residential and commercial aerotropolis: An idea so crazy it just might be crazy. Those promoting it: Reminding us that local government isn't always such great shakes. http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42631 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42631 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:27:19 EST Wow. Where to start? Pilots using their efforts to fly fuel from berg to berg while they deplete it? Is that a "job" one should promote or wish upon another human? Also, don't these county and city officials know that one of the major problems with airports - since they existed - is that folks move near them and then complain about the noise, forcing them to move? Residential and commercial aerotropolis: An idea so crazy it just might be crazy. Those promoting it: Reminding us that local government isn't always such great shakes. http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42630 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8562#42630 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:26:56 EST